I see that you’ve linked my own blog to supporting the PR campaigns of “starlets” of “meager talent” as a hobby.
Anyway, if you want to talk about “poptimism,” I encourage you to read the Poptimists LiveJournal community — where you’ll find neither predictable consensus nor mere jouissance, nor any dearth of intellectual discussion of various types of pop music — and I also encourage you to read the actual words I’ve written about the stars whom I presume you take to be untalented, especially Ashlee Simpson (start with this post).
I’m not against authenticity arguments (see Frank Kogan’s excellent post on rockism and antirockism here for a recent conversation on the topic), and the gleeful sort of “inauthenticity”-cheerleading you’re pinning to me isn’t what I’m all about. I genuinely believe in the authentic talent of most of the pop stars I’m writing about, at least when I’m praising them, and those are the arguments I’m trying to make. So if you’re getting “regurgitating ad copy” or “promoting media conglomerates” (in fact, I bet I know more about the Disney conglomerate’s actual production and distribution practices than most people writing about Disney, at least in the blog world if not the mainstream press — and I’ve been regularly, vocally critical of them), or if you think I’m blithely promoting ALL pop “product” without listening to it critically (as you seem to be — i.e., there are actually, believe it or not, differences between Jessica Simpson, Lindsay Lohan, and Heidi Montag, and I’ve never had great praise for the former or lattermost on my blog), then you’re not reading carefully enough.
Anyway, as for your students, if they can’t make any critical arguments about why they prefer a given performer to another one, they probably lack basic critical skills; that isn’t to say that there is no reason whatsoever to prefer any given performance of something to any other, but attributing it to some sort of out-of-control poptimism as some kind of cultural “symptom” that has any major relevance outside of the LiveJournal page I linked to above (and maybe a few blogs that your students likely don’t read) is misguided.
Don't know why I even waste my time with this stuff, except that I'm procrastinating from doing other work. It just sucks to know that there are actually professors out there that are bringing these assumptions and frameworks into the classroom (and so easily conflating the aesthetic choices of students with their ability to think critically about the music they listen to -- if the problem is just critical thinking, then he needs to encourage his students to articulate WHY they like the white dudes better, and stop bringing "poptimism" into it!).
May 11 2008, 21:56:02 UTC 4 years ago
i have a pretty low opinion of garofalo, based on a book i read years ago -- for similar reasons actually, that he didn't do the fucking legwork on how leisure corporations work, it was all posture (which was annoying because i was trying to research how corporations work) -- and i know that he's not well regarded by such upper-echelon critical mucketymucks as g.marcus and d.marsh, tho i expect the disdain is moochooal
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(But honestly, other than the swipes at you and me, the post didn't seem ugly so much as garden-variety stupid and incoherent. But I would not suggest that Gavin read
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The "ugly" is a (probably too-strong) description in response to what he'd written about me specifically. I really hate the tendency of the Reynolds blogroll crew obliquely linking my site to make some kind of implicit, smug attack of what I'm writing about without (1) calling me or the site out by name or (2) citing an actual idea as evidence. This is probably the third or fourth time it's happened. (As I said to dubdobdee above, I don't really care as much about the bulk of the post; I still don't think his actual class "problem" goes much farther than the fact that his students are inarticulate.)
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May 12 2008, 06:24:27 UTC 4 years ago
Oh yeah, my other comment, awaiting mod approval...
"I don’t mean that last graf as a swipe at the students — I mean to say that if they’re being uncritical, that’s its own issue, and one that probably has nothing to do with “poptimism.” A bigger issue I have here is that you’re taking your own assumptions about the music you’re talking about — be it the blues stuff or the pop stuff — and suggesting that disagreement on these fronts are the result of some kind of uncritical engagement."('Course I meant disagreements but oh well...)
May 12 2008, 09:22:44 UTC 4 years ago
I must confess that “emotional connections” strike me as shallow and narcissistic
!!! this makes him sound sociopathic (also stupid)
Mere enjoyment, jouissance, is the shallow response of alienated consumers to mass commodity music.
this makes him sound like he has never interacted with another human being in his life (also stupid, only dude who sounds alienated is him!)
It’s certainly necessary if we give a shit about music beyond whether we would put it on our iPod.
thinking about whether i would put a song on my ipod = totally crucial to giving a shit about music
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I was also depressed on the "is this what we're teaching our kidZoR?" front!
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