skyecaptain ([info]skyecaptain) wrote,
What I wrote in response to this ugly little post post that I wouldn't have even noticed if I hadn't found it in a Technorati search [full disclosure, y'know], from a blog I think I'd googled once and found the only paper I know of about Soulja Boy (which I still haven't read, but maybe I should now...):

I see that you’ve linked my own blog to supporting the PR campaigns of “starlets” of “meager talent” as a hobby.

Anyway, if you want to talk about “poptimism,” I encourage you to read the Poptimists LiveJournal community — where you’ll find neither predictable consensus nor mere jouissance, nor any dearth of intellectual discussion of various types of pop music — and I also encourage you to read the actual words I’ve written about the stars whom I presume you take to be untalented, especially Ashlee Simpson (start with this post).

I’m not against authenticity arguments (see Frank Kogan’s excellent post on rockism and antirockism here for a recent conversation on the topic), and the gleeful sort of “inauthenticity”-cheerleading you’re pinning to me isn’t what I’m all about. I genuinely believe in the authentic talent of most of the pop stars I’m writing about, at least when I’m praising them, and those are the arguments I’m trying to make. So if you’re getting “regurgitating ad copy” or “promoting media conglomerates” (in fact, I bet I know more about the Disney conglomerate’s actual production and distribution practices than most people writing about Disney, at least in the blog world if not the mainstream press — and I’ve been regularly, vocally critical of them), or if you think I’m blithely promoting ALL pop “product” without listening to it critically (as you seem to be — i.e., there are actually, believe it or not, differences between Jessica Simpson, Lindsay Lohan, and Heidi Montag, and I’ve never had great praise for the former or lattermost on my blog), then you’re not reading carefully enough.

Anyway, as for your students, if they can’t make any critical arguments about why they prefer a given performer to another one, they probably lack basic critical skills; that isn’t to say that there is no reason whatsoever to prefer any given performance of something to any other, but attributing it to some sort of out-of-control poptimism as some kind of cultural “symptom” that has any major relevance outside of the LiveJournal page I linked to above (and maybe a few blogs that your students likely don’t read) is misguided.

Don't know why I even waste my time with this stuff, except that I'm procrastinating from doing other work. It just sucks to know that there are actually professors out there that are bringing these assumptions and frameworks into the classroom (and so easily conflating the aesthetic choices of students with their ability to think critically about the music they listen to -- if the problem is just critical thinking, then he needs to encourage his students to articulate WHY they like the white dudes better, and stop bringing "poptimism" into it!).

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[info]dubdobdee

May 11 2008, 21:56:02 UTC 4 years ago

i think the guy means ALLAN bloom not harold bloom

i have a pretty low opinion of garofalo, based on a book i read years ago -- for similar reasons actually, that he didn't do the fucking legwork on how leisure corporations work, it was all posture (which was annoying because i was trying to research how corporations work) -- and i know that he's not well regarded by such upper-echelon critical mucketymucks as g.marcus and d.marsh, tho i expect the disdain is moochooal

[info]skyecaptain

May 11 2008, 22:06:57 UTC 4 years ago

Yeah...the taste arguments re: the black versus white versions I could give a shit about (I'm not going to go out of my way to remind someone that "appropriation" in and of itself is not what makes something bad, but it's not like he'd hold that argument anyway). But he's using his own poor critical thinking skills to cast me as an uncritical listener, or at least an "uncritical listening" cheerleader, which is exactly the opposite of what (I hope) I'm doing over at Bedbugs! Which is why I try to make sure to actually learn about the various contexts of the music I'm listening to -- sometimes it involves reading a tabloid article and sometimes it involves knowing where Disney's money actually goes. And not a helluva lot of it goes to music, which is one reason why that particular line of reasoning always seems especially false when applied to music. It's usually not applied as vehemently to films, television, and other media endeavors, which is where most media conglom money actually goes. (That is, Disney has room to do some weird stuff with their music labels, because it's not really where the money is; that isn't to say it doesn't make a lot of money, but that they can afford to take chances most people won't give them credit for.)

[info]skyecaptain

May 11 2008, 23:55:59 UTC 4 years ago

Comments haven't been accepted yet, but I added one expanding the critique to say that he seems to be conflating his own expectations of his students assumptions (i.e. that they match his own) with their ability to think critically about the music they like, which are two separate issues. Also clarified that I didn't mean to dis his students in that last paragraph (the operative word is if they can't explain why they like what they like; that is, I'm not judging without knowing what they're saying or not saying whether or not they CAN think critically).

[info]skyecaptain

May 12 2008, 01:30:32 UTC 4 years ago

Ha, Emily (who encouraged me to make that second comment) noticed the Bloom mix-up, too.

[info]koganbot

May 12 2008, 05:17:17 UTC 4 years ago

Well, that Clapton version of "Crossroads" does kind of suck in comparison to this one (which is more authentic, 'cause it's in black and white, not in pandering-to-reality color):



(But honestly, other than the swipes at you and me, the post didn't seem ugly so much as garden-variety stupid and incoherent. But I would not suggest that Gavin read [info]poptimists, simply because he's so dumb it would be a waste of his time and, if he commented on it, ours.)

[info]skyecaptain

May 12 2008, 05:44:35 UTC 4 years ago

Considering that the thought Lindsay Lohan, Kylie Minogue, Jessica Simpson, and Heidi Montag are not the same person has eluded him, I doubt he'll stick around Poptimists very long. I'm wondering if he's ever even read Bedbugs, or if he just saw it linked sarcastically by k-runk a few months ago or something.

[info]koganbot

May 12 2008, 05:24:42 UTC 4 years ago

Btw, did you send Gavin your response, or is this just a rough draft?

[info]skyecaptain

May 12 2008, 05:33:42 UTC 4 years ago

I sent it but it's awaiting moderation.

The "ugly" is a (probably too-strong) description in response to what he'd written about me specifically. I really hate the tendency of the Reynolds blogroll crew obliquely linking my site to make some kind of implicit, smug attack of what I'm writing about without (1) calling me or the site out by name or (2) citing an actual idea as evidence. This is probably the third or fourth time it's happened. (As I said to dubdobdee above, I don't really care as much about the bulk of the post; I still don't think his actual class "problem" goes much farther than the fact that his students are inarticulate.)

[info]skyecaptain

May 12 2008, 05:38:39 UTC 4 years ago

But of course his post is pretty inarticulate, so it's kind of like the pot calling the kettle more authentic.

[info]skyecaptain

May 12 2008, 06:24:27 UTC 4 years ago

Oh yeah, my other comment, awaiting mod approval...

"I don’t mean that last graf as a swipe at the students — I mean to say that if they’re being uncritical, that’s its own issue, and one that probably has nothing to do with “poptimism.” A bigger issue I have here is that you’re taking your own assumptions about the music you’re talking about — be it the blues stuff or the pop stuff — and suggesting that disagreement on these fronts are the result of some kind of uncritical engagement."

('Course I meant disagreements but oh well...)

[info]alexmacpherson

May 12 2008, 09:22:44 UTC 4 years ago

dudes like that are charged with teaching kids to think about pop music? jesus.

I must confess that “emotional connections” strike me as shallow and narcissistic

!!! this makes him sound sociopathic (also stupid)

Mere enjoyment, jouissance, is the shallow response of alienated consumers to mass commodity music.

this makes him sound like he has never interacted with another human being in his life (also stupid, only dude who sounds alienated is him!)

It’s certainly necessary if we give a shit about music beyond whether we would put it on our iPod.

thinking about whether i would put a song on my ipod = totally crucial to giving a shit about music

[info]alexmacpherson

May 12 2008, 09:24:44 UTC 4 years ago

i sometimes wonder whether people who refer contemptuously to "the masses" are aware of how sour and blinkered and closed-off they sound?

[info]alexmacpherson

May 12 2008, 09:26:25 UTC 4 years ago

not that i'm not a total misanthrope myself but that's cuz i judge people by how fast they walk when they're in front of me, not their tastes.

[info]freakytigger

May 12 2008, 09:51:02 UTC 4 years ago

Oh god I saw this one on a google search weeks ago, briefly considered linking/commenting/sending it to you and Frank, and decided not to waste your time. The guy is seeking approval from the k-punkosphere and will no doubt get a modicum of it.

I was also depressed on the "is this what we're teaching our kidZoR?" front!

[info]skyecaptain

May 12 2008, 17:10:20 UTC 4 years ago

To be honest, the fact that I'd already found it for the Soulja Boy paper through me for a loop! Woulda never guessed it was k-runkian until I read this post. And I also have a pathological habit of responding to everyone who links to me, so there's that.

[info]epicharmus

May 12 2008, 15:07:22 UTC 4 years ago

Oh my God. Perhaps this is a mere generational thing given that I spent my teen years under the shadow The Closing of the American Mind, but writing Harold when you mean Allan Bloom is really just unforgivably fucking stupid. It's like a "so-and-so is the drummer for Gay Dad" line but in reverse.

[info]koganbot

May 12 2008, 15:49:08 UTC 4 years ago

Well, he's 26, so maybe he was having a senior moment.

[info]koganbot

May 12 2008, 15:49:30 UTC 4 years ago

(I mean, my own posts these days are always immediately followed by posts where I say what word I meant to put as opposed to the sound-alike words I actually did print.) (But at least I have the wit to write the followup threads.)

[info]koganbot

May 12 2008, 18:44:04 UTC 4 years ago

So, whaddya think of Cream?

[info]skyecaptain

May 12 2008, 19:02:49 UTC 4 years ago

Generally never passionately liked or disliked 'em, but that performance is awesome.
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